Government mandated healthcare is government-controlled healthcare

According to this article from the Associated Press, Hillary Clinton envisions a day when you will have to show proof of insurance to your employer prior to being hired for a job.

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer Tue Sep 18, 12:59 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday that a mandate requiring every American to purchase health insurance was the only way to achieve universal health care but she rejected the notion of punitive measures to force individuals into the health care system.
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"At this point, we don't have anything punitive that we have proposed," the presidential candidate said in an interview with The Associated Press. "We're providing incentives and tax credits which we think will be very attractive to the vast majority of Americans."

She said she could envision a day when "you have to show proof to your employer that you're insured as a part of the job interview — like when your kid goes to school and has to show proof of vaccination," but said such details would be worked out through negotiations with Congress.

Coincidentally this month, we read about a man in the UK who is being refused surgery by National Health Service docs because he won't quit smoking - although he did cut back to 10 cigarettes a week. And there's the woman who was required to cover her hair or risk being turned away by an NHS dentist.

Here in the US, beginning in 1996, there was a push to punish Medicare recipients who went to docs who charged more that the Medicare allowable. As it is, docs have to "opt out" officially if they want to do a cash-only practice - cheaper or higher - and are not allowed to charge Medicare, Medicaid, or any Government insurance for at least 24 months. This pretty much locked all Medicare eligible patients into the system - they must see a doc who plays the ICD, CPT game or all procedures, hospitalizations will mean going to another physician who has not opted out.

However, back in 1997 and 1998, there were some opinions given by the Clinton administration that Medicare eligible patients were themselves breaking the law if they chose to go out side the system.

Of course, that was just at the time that the E&M codes and all the Uber-reporting rules came into force due to the Balanced Budget Act of 1997. Here's a page full of stories covering that period.


It was also about the time that the Office of the Inspector General started making armed raids on hospitals and Reno, Shalala, and Freeh held rallies in football stadiums to teach Medicare recipients to turn their docs and hospitals in for fraud and abuse and $1000 reward.

More on HPV, mandates, and tax money

All State Medicaid programs must offer the vaccines recommended by the (Federal) Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, under the Vaccines for Children program. The States don't have to mandate the vaccine, however.

Some of the docs I've talked to are convinced that Medicaid and uninsured patients will have an easier time accessing and affording Gardasil than insured patients - unless the insurance companies are forced to cover it somehow.

I predict that within just 2 or 3 years, the private insurers will see that the girls who receive the vaccine don't have to have nearly as many repeat paps, fewer colposcopies and biopsies. Eventually, in 5 or 6 years, there will be fewer freezing and laser therapy treatments. Somewhere in there, they will begin to cover and strongly encourage the vaccine, without being forced.

It turns out that the transition from infection with the more virulent strains to a precancerous or even carcinoma intraepithelial neoplasm (cancerous cells in the surface layer - the kind that leads to repeat pap smears, colposcopy and biopsies and then freezing or laser ablation or removal of the surface layer of the cervix. The pathology-reported names given to these spots on the cervix include "Low Grade Squamous Intraepithelial Lesions, High Grade SIL, Carcinoma in Situ ) can occur within 2 to 3 years, although most take 10 years or so.

From an article available here, free on line,

The traditional view has been that this process takes years, if not decades, to occur after initial HPV infection. Recent studies suggest that these changes may develop more quickly than previously thought. Winer et al followed women after initial HPV infection for the development of CIN 2/3.

As shown in Figure 3, approximately 27% of women with an initial HPV 16 or 18 infection progressed to CIN 2/3 within 36 months [20]. A second study of a large health maintenance cohort found that approximately 20% of women 30 years of age or older who were initially infected with HPV 16 developed CIN 3 or cervical cancer within 120 months.

Women who had an initial HPV 18 infection had approximately a 15% risk of developing CIN 3 or cervical cancer at 120 months [21].

The strong correlation between infection with high-risk types of HPV and LSIL, HSIL, and cervical cancer suggests that HPV DNA testing would be a useful tool for the management of women with abnormal Pap test results, especially in the case of those with equivocal test results. In the case of an equivocal Pap test result, HPV DNA testing can help determine whether the individual should be referred for colposcopic assessment [22].

(Ault, Kevin. "Epidemiology and Natural History of Human Papillomavirus Infections in the Female Genital Tract." Infect Dis Obstet Gynecol. 2006; 2006: 40470. Published online 2006 January 30. doi: 10.1155/IDOG/2006/40470. Copyright © 2006 Kevin A. Ault.)


The biggest financial gain to the Medicaid program and then the insureres - as well as the biggest gain in decreased worry and actual pain and suffering of women - will not be from a decrease in diagnoses of the cancer, itself. It will be from the decrease in the visible warts, as well as precancerous changes from the occult infections that can't be seen with the naked eye and the repeat testing and biopsies, along with the cervical damage from excisions, lasers and freezing which can lead to infertility and premature births.

More information at this summary of another research paper. And this paper reports on 2 year risk of developing CIN.